18 April will be the second anniversary of the horrible Qana Massacre. On that date the Israeli Army purposefully terrorized Lebanese civilians who had been given refuge at this long-established and well-known U.N. base in southern Lebanon. For about 15 minutes artillery shells blasted Qana. The human carnage: some 190 mostly women and children killed, many more terribly injured. It was the worst massacre of civilians under U.N. protection in the history of the Middle East.

The U.N., Amnesty International, and the press investigated -- all reaching the conclusion that Israel had perpetrated the massacre on purpose and then attempted to cover it up when world outrage erupted.

Last year MID-EAST REALITIES T.V. interviewed Robert Fisk of THE INDEPENDENT, the journalist whose unique investigative efforts uncovered much of what we now know about the Qana Massacre. Fisk also provided exclusive video for MER-TV highlighting what happened that April day and the Israeli/American coverup that followed. Fisk personally narrates the home video that the Israelis did not know about when they insisted it had all been a terrible mistake. Fisk also discusses in detail the realities of what he calls the "so-called Peace Process" and the overall situation in today's Middle East.

The four half-hour TV programs, TALKING WITH ROBERT FISK, including the exclusive video taken as the Israelis shelled Qana, are available on VHS for $39.95 plus $5 shipping/handling ($15 international). All orders received this week by Friday noon will be immediately sent out for receipt next week. Checks can be faxed to 202 362-6965 or mailed to MER - POBox 18367 - Washington, DC 20036. Delivery in 48-hours is available ($15 additional in the U.S. & Canada).

Mark Bruzonsky (Host): Speaking about Europeans... You were at Qana, the UN base which to my knowledge is the first time a UN base full of civilians had been attacked in the Middle East. 

Robert Fisk (Guest): No. Wrong. The day before...Qana...

B.: The day before?

Fisk: A day before proximity shells were fired onto the battalion headquarters of the Nepalese battalion of the United Nations, but quite by chance, all the people there were in bunkers and no one died and the U.N. assuming it was just a strange mistake did not complain about it because no one were killed and exactly the same thing happened the next day at Qana. In fact there was a rather disturbing precedent 24 hours earlier which we did not know about.

B.: You were at Qana when the French Foreign Minister...I believe three days after the massacre 

Fisk: The bombing, yeah

B.: And to my knowledge you were the first reporter, the primary reporter who uncovered evidence making it very clear the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing because they in fact were flying a drone plane over Qana at the time it took place.

Fisk: Well, perhaps I should tell you the story of Qana as I saw it originally, because my wife is also a journalist, and I were travelling
on a UN convoy. Each day I would go on UN convoys, I mean they got shelled and shrapnel hit them but I prefer to be with professional
soldiers than just be on my own where you were often attacked by
helicopters individually like the famous ambulance episode if you
remember. Well I was travelling on a UN envoy

B.: The ambulance episode when the Israelis out of the air... 

Fisk: When an Apache fired an American-made missile into the back of an ambulance, which they said, was driven by or owned by a member of the Hizbullah and there were many people in the ambulance and the missile killed four children, two women.

B.: The reality in your view after investigating they do these things
on purpose to intimidate the people?

Fisk: No, I did not say that. I think there was a quite clear military purpose to drive people out of southern Lebanon and when people
refused to leave their homes, they've made a mistake in leaving before.  And certainly over and over again what got hit by the Israelis were civilians. The driver of that ambulance actually put his family in the ambulance at the village of Mansoori which is somewhere from where it was hit and he recalled to me how the two Israeli helicopters both Apaches which were over the village actually came quite low and appeared to be watching him as the civilians got in the ambulance and later again two helicopters, whether the same or not I don't know, began to move down the sky, loose altitude behind the ambulance as it went by another UN base. And suddenly the women in the back, one of whom was to die, shouted: "Its chasing us, its chasing us!!!" and he described to me how he looked in the mirror and saw the helicopter chasing along the road behind him and fired two missiles, he fired two missiles one hit the ambulance. 
 

But let's go back to Qana exactly. On that afternoon I was travelling back from the village of Tibnin which is the headquarters of the Irish battalion, Irish army battalion of the United Nations with a convoy of, there was a Swedish officer, there were Irish troops, and Polish troops convoy. It was bringing empty trucks back after delivering food to villages under Israeli fire. The convoy commander, Commandant Edmund Smith, he is a friend of mine actually, he is from County Corp, and I was in his lead vehicle and we were passing from a village called Sidakin about three miles from Qana, when we heard: boom, boom, tseeee, over the top, a whistle sound of shells, and a boom, boom, from Qana. And we looked to each other, and we were in the same vehicle and I said: " Oh, my God, that is very low firing, this is coming in near Qana." And he said: "Yes." And then we heard boom, boom, tsees, tseee, extraordinary noise, it was very frightening noise of shells passing over, and then boom, boom, boom onto Qana. And then the radio started going, we heard the Fijian soldiers, we heard: "Our headquarters, they're attacking our headquarters, we are under fire, we are under fire." And then a voice said: "People dying here." And the Lebanese army liaison officer at Qana broke in on the air and said: "People dying, help us, help us, we hear the voice of death." And we couldn't hear the voice but of course people were shrieking, there were people being amputated by these proximity shells, their heads were being cut off, their arms were coming off. We know now that the back gate was burst open as dozens of people with arms and legs missing or hanging off of them by bits of skin crawled out on their knees covered with blood trying to escape from the headquarters as the proximity shells came in again and again, 17 minutes long. Very shortly after the first shells came in the UN headquarters in Naqura was confirming to the Fijians that help is on the way, that they were telling the IDF to stop shelling, for God's sake stop shelling. At that stage, Commandant Smith looked at me in the vehicle and we just said nothing, we knew there would be terrible casualties, because we've been to Qana earlier that day, and we've seen the place just crowded, crammed with people. 

B.: You could have literally been there?

Fisk: Well, we were shortly after because we drove straight to Qana of course, and we got there the shells were still falling round the base.  I remember talking to another Irish officer, and we both said this would be terribly dangerous. But we both felt it was worth the risk, that what had happened was so terrible that you had to put that aside and go there. 

B.: Did you believe at the time it was a mistake? Did you believe at
the time that the Israelis are doing, knowing what they knew what they were doing? 

Fisk: Yes. I think they knew what they were doing. The Israelis had
a base in Qana for years under occupation after '85, they've got
videotapes of every vehicle, they've got very good maps there of exact positions, they've got satellite positioning of their artillery. I mean either this is the most inefficient army in the Middle East, or it is an elite army, but if it is the most inefficient, well, something is very
strange, I mean, if it is elite, how did they hit Qana? And we had a
whole series, we had the ambulance, we had an episode in the same day in Nabatia as Qana where a missile was fired into a building and killed nine members of the same family including a two-month-old baby, we had a missile fired in the southern suburbs which beheaded a little girl, we had a missile fired at Kargeia which killed a young woman having a sandwich, I mean it went on and on and on. And they are all mistakes? I mean there is a limit, I mean its like a man who gets divorced three and keeps saying his wife does not understand him

B.: What you are saying?

Fisk: Well you have to say I don't believe this

B.: With what you say, are we on the same planet, because what you are describing is not what we are hearing here. 

Fisk: No. Let me go back to what we saw. We got to the gate which has been burst open in the back and there were a river of blood. I mean I will tell you frankly what it was, it was a river of blood coming out of it. I remember the blood going inside my shoes, it poured over the top. We got inside and it was a butcher shop of babies without heads, women without arms shrieking and screaming like animals. There was a pile of corpses on one side with a young woman holding a middle-aged man in her arms and he had an arm missing, he was dead, and his eyes were open, gray head man, and she was rocking him backwards and forwards and crying over and over: "My father, my father." In the conference room where many people have been sheltered under a wooden roof, those who were not so badly wounded they died, were cremated alive, because the roof came down on fire and burned them to death, and there were literally skeletons on fire with the last bits of humanity burning off of them as we approached it.

B.: There were eight hundred civilians there given refuge by the UN?

Fisk: By the Fijians, and they had gone there because in many cases the Israelis had announced over the radio that their villages are going to be shelled, and the UN had repeatedly told the Israelis that there were refugees in their headquarters, in all the various headquarters. The Irish had them, the Finns had them, I mean it wasn't just the Fijians. 

B.: So why did the Israelis do it?

Fisk: Well, my investigations have gone on for a very long, long time. 
As far as I understand it, what happened is this: Shimon Peres had
promised the Israeli people there would be no Israeli casualties in this military campaign, because this was gonna be from the air, and from artillery. 

B.: And because there is an election coming?

Fisk: Well that was something to do with the campaign, but that is a
different issue. On the afternoon, and on the morning of Qana, we now know, that an Israeli patrol of soldiers did go north of the occupation zone into the UN zone and arrived very close to the village of Sidakin where I was with this Irish Commandant of the convoy and stopped to plant booby trap bombs next to a hillside presumably in the hope that the Hizbullah would walk out to fire some missiles and they could blow them up.

B.: Right.

Fisk: This particular place where they were planting the booby trap
bombs is clearly visible from Qana. And the Hizbullah unit saw them
planting the bombs, saw Israeli troops on the ground and they have been waiting for this because they couldn't hit the helicopters

B.: Right.

Fisk: And they can't hit the artillery, but they were waiting for it.  And they sat up in multiple positions six hundred feet from the UN compound, and let us again not be romantic about this, the Hizbullah
frequently used both there and has done before to get close to UN bases on the hope that Israelis wouldn't be fired back and so they will be protected while they fired, so let us not have any illusions about that. They fired their mortars from six hundred feet away in a
cemetery, I went there after this and I could see the burn marks on the ground, I know where they fired from. And up on the hillside of
Sidakin, these Israeli troops who officially were not there and they
were planting booby traps on, found mortars falling round them and
called for help. The immediate response of the Israelis was to pour
artillery fire into Qana. Just pour it. And

B.: But the Israelis have the capability of shooting specifically at
something six hundred feet from Qana. They have been point-perfect.

Fisk: Well, I think what happened, I know that very shortly after Qana
itself was hit, the base, I had concluded the notion that the senior
Israeli intelligence officer on the Lebanese border who was intelligence officer three artillery batteries, including the one that was fired at Qana, immediately red-flagged it, he said: " Hang on, there is a problem, this is a UN base, a refugee thing. I also have reason to believe that his warning was immediately overruled by higher command who were more concerned to get those soldiers out than they were worried about any Arab life.

B.: And they figured the easiest and best way to do that is to attack
the base.

Fisk: Let me, well, hold on a second, what was important to realize at this stage is that there was an interview published in the Israeli
publication called "Kol Ha'ir" after the massacre with some of the
soldiers who were on the artillery even that fired into Qana, and two of them referred repeatedly in the interview to "Arabushim", a Hebrew word that means Ayrabs, the equivalent of saying a nigger about a black person

B.: Right.

Fisk: They talked about how there were few Jews, there were lots of
Arabs, it was there fault, why did they have the Hizbullah in the area
anyway? And I think that, we also know, we were told at the time by
survivors and Fijians that the was a photo-reconnaissance aircraft going round in the sky about Qana during the shelling. This is an aircraft that shows live-time television that can be seen by the battery controls of the artillery. I saw lots of drones during this period flying over me and I saw drones in the morning. When I got to Qana, all I can remember is smoke and fire and shelling, but the survivors told me they saw the drone, but the Arabs called it Umm Qama, UK as an uncle of Qama, UK is a coding for the drone, and in order for their children not to be afraid of the Israelis, it's a very rather sinister-looking figure, aaaahhh, the noise they made. They always made fun, this is uncle Qama coming over.

B.: So it's a flying TV camera?

Fisk: It's a flying TV camera. Very good point. It's camera platform. There is nobody in the plane, very small, and little propellers in the back. There are different kinds, most of them are made in Israel, there are some no doubt manufactured in your country.   And they said that there had been a plane watching round the bunker. In fact he came apparently before the shooting and many of them became
very worried. One man told me that as he ran, he heard the Hizbullah
firing mortars, he though he would be much safer if he ran to the UN
headquarters where he would have been died. He was running down the street and the shadow of the drone passed over him and he became frightened and went back to his home, and his life was spared of course. Well, what happened then, in the aftermath of the massacre the Israelis stated that they did not, and they stated on the record to the United Nations, to the press, everyone they did not have a photo reconnaissance aircraft over Qana before, during, or after the massacre. 

B.: And Peres made these impassioned speeches about how it was a terrible accident and Israel would never do such a thing.

Fisk: Well maybe Mr. Peres thought that. However, I quickly came to
the conclusion that the statement made by Israelis that they did not
have a drone over there, the interviews I made with people were so
strong, I decided that that was an untruthful statement. Then we
discovered, and of course time goes by now, days are going by, and the war continues, then we discovered unbelievably at a UN position about a mile from Qana run by the UN's force mobile reserve which is made up of ordinations who are involved in the peace-keeping force which means Irish, Norwegian, French, Finnish, Ghanaian, Polish that a young Norwegian soldier there as the shelling began, pulled out his amateur video camera and started taking pictures, movie films, movie video tape. And the rumor went round that on this tape he got the drone as the shells fired on Qana. Again Let us go back to the day of Qana, as we are driving into the base, we can see the shelling, and Commandant Smith actually calls up the Fijians and said: "Is that you on the shell fire? Are you still on the shell fire? Is it Roger, Roger" And then he goes back to Naqura again and says: "UNIFEL headquarters, Fijian headquarters is still on the shelling, repeated still on the shelling."  Very important little bit because this was said as we later found out while the drone was overhead. Anyway, as the days followed we heard about this film, the we were told, I was told by one soldier that he did not know even if the drone was caught on the film or not. And if it wasn't there then it's just a film of shelling. Then I was told, I went along to the burial after the cease fire, the burial of the 109, as we now believe it was, victims of whom 55 were children, mass grave and they are buried just beside the camp were they had died, they are buried
within feet of the place of their death. And many of the young Fijian
troops were crying, because they knew them, I mean some of soldiers in the evenings when they thought Qana was safe, these refugees had been there for several days, the Fijian soldiers were, you know, taking the babies from their mothers and rocking them and putting them to sleep, and now they had to pick up these same babies in pieces. So for many of these soldiers they were very, very upset deeply, deeply shocked at what had happened. And one of them came up to me and he said: "Mr. Robert, I think there was a film, but I don't know if the drone was on it." Then I learned that the Norwegian soldiers had been told to give the film to the UN investigator General McAllen, that it had been taken to New York,
and that they were not to talk about, or reveal anything about it. I
was also told that the contents of the film would never be made public, and that Boutros Boutros Ghali was under a great pressure form the Americans not to publish the UN investigation. And I was as a journalist pretty depressed to leave because I was after this film; I wanted it. I don't like technology but I wanted this videotape. And one day, it was two to three days later I was sitting at home in Beirut, and my wife was working in the sitting room, and I was working at my office, and my mobile phone rang and the voice of the UN soldier I had met came on the phone and he gave a map reference and said :"1300 hours" and hung up. And I pulled out a map of where there were crossroads near Qana, and I've never driven to southern Lebanon so fast in all my life.  And I was there at 1300 hours and I sat in the car and waited in the heat and in the mirror I saw a UN, a white UN jeep pull up behind me, and out of it climbed a UN soldier in battle dress and a blue beret; he will have to remain anonymous, and he walked up to me and said: "Mr. Robert," I had met this person before, he said: " Mr. Robert, I saw the film and I copied it, the drone is on the film." he said, he said he had
two children at home of his own the same age as the children he carried dead in his arms in Qana, and he pulled the videotape out of his battle dress pocket and threw it onto the passenger seat of my car and said: "This is for them." And I thought to myself I've never seen a soldier take such a brave decision. Big powers, big powers

B.: If only Boutros Ghali could be counted on.

Fisk: Oh, yes, big powers, big powers could try to cover up, but little
men can still sometimes win. I took the video back to Beirut and I
played it. And you saw the shells falling on Qana, and it was a very
amateur video, very, very amateur, very, very totally uncut. At one
point a Norwegian soldier puts his head in front of the camera
apparently not realizing makes a silly face. You hear soldiers laughing and chatting and then you hear the radios going an then you see these shells going.

B.: Let's watch it.

Fisk: OK. 

B.: I am Mark Bruzonsky, this is Mid-East Realities, our guest is Robert Fisk, and I understand this is the first time that on American Television this film is going to be shown. 

B.: As a, in its full and uncut state, this is the first time in the United States, yes this is true. 

Fisk: Thank you very much for giving us that opportunity and just
hearing you describe what took place there, its chilling to sit with you
and hear you describe it, I can't imagine

Fisk: It is not as chilling as to be there, a lot of practice. 

B.: I can't imagine what you described in person, so we will watch
the tape and maybe you can narrate anything as we

Fisk: I think you should listen to part of it. Listen to these shells
for example. Now that's Qana where the smoke is coming from, that is the UN base. Now these are real shells, its not Hollywood, these are proximity shells, there is another one, they are bursting approximately nine meters off the round, they are intended to give amputation wounds, that is the purpose in military

B.: That is what they did.

Fisk: Yes, that is what they did. You can see the pocket of gray smoke above there, that is a proximity shells, its bursting above the ground.

B.: Right.

Fisk: There is another one. All this film being taken, you see the bit
of barbed wire close to the camera

B.: Yes.

Fisk: That is the perimeter of the force mobile reserve division from
which the Norwegian soldier is taking this film. Quite a windy day, you hear the wind going across the mike there, very amateur videotape, but of course very historic now and tragic in every sense of the word. You have to remember here that lots of soldiers in this base are watching this.

B.: The shelling went on for 12 minutes

Fisk: 17 minutes.

B.: 17 minutes, with a pattern of firing, I am not a military person
but why didn't they call..

Fisk: They ran front [?] about it, as you can hear. Here are some
Norwegian soldiers who are watching, again you can see the background, Qana, in the right actually another pocket of smoke rose as another house was hit outside the base. You've seen interestingly enough these soldiers are standing out in the open, they are not very definite yet, they don't assume these are stray rounds although they've been in the background. It is a very important point.

B.: Right.

Fisk: And they are standing, look, up, up in the most exposed position just watching this, assuming that it was just meant to happen, because they are not being, they are not worried about their life. Norwegians are beginning to talk about it now. There you see on the left, that big cloud of smoke was gathering, that is all the Israeli shells over Qana, they are doing the shell over. The shells are being fired from the left of the screen here of course, they are not going across, they are coming down on top, they are firing a high trajectory coming right down on top. Very amateur film again, but you can see the degree of, there is another, you can see where another proximity shell has burst about, that gray smoke at the top that hangs in the sky. There is always a fool in the videotape, there is the guy making the face. Now you hear the Norwegian radio conferee coming on to UN headquarters warning that something terrible is happening. They are beginning to realize that something awful is going on, that there are people who are exposed there, that they are not all in the bunkers. Still, the shelling is continuing, there is another shell. They are speaking Norwegian, they are describing, they are talking to each other about what must be happening in Qana. Very soon you will hear the UN radio conferee from the UN headquarters talking. Now quite sooner from now, you will begin to hear a thin, high tone on the film and that is in fact the sound of the drone. And then a Norwegian soldier will appear and look up.  Listen for the next minute and you will begin to hear that sound of that plane which is very important, the shelling is going on and you hear the
plane. There. That is the noise of the drone and the shelling is
continuing, it's over Qana, as the shells fall. This soldier is going
to look up again, it is about to go left up high as you can hear the
sound, he is looking for the drone and now the, there is the sound,
shells fall on Qana, the camera will move up, and you will see the
drone just wait a second, and there it is taking photographs right in
the middle of the street, the Israelis also said they had no helicopters there, you hear the shells fall, in fact there was a helicopter watching the scene, you can see it coming up in just a moment, there is Qana still under fire. And you will see a helicopter flying over, dropping phosphorous flares to mislead heat-seeking missiles that might be fired at it by the Hizbullah, there is one flare coming down, the second one, and in a moment it will drop a third flare, there is the third flare, that is the helicopter over Qana. And now the camera moves back and you can see the conference room, in the very center of the screen, you could see the flicker of fire, that is the conference room, fifty people are being cremated as you watch that, they are dying in there now, now that is Commandant Smith's "Roger, Roger," and he says: " Hello UNIFEL 4, 0," Did you hear it? Say it again: "Fijian headquarters is still under shelling, Fijian headquarters is still under shelling," Now that's Commandant Smith's voice and I am sitting right next to him, he is just on the other side of that hill with me, and we are heading for Qana, and he is on passing the radio messages to the operations room of the United
Nations. " Fijians on reserve, over." And now the Fijian officer goes
on to speak in his own language to the Fijian headquarters to explain exactly what is going on, still you hear the drone, you could hear it over, you can't see it but you can hear it. Now we see Lebanese people trying to get the wounded to hospitals, and we are in a UN vehicle heading over to the helicopter runway where they are trying to evacuate some of the wounded. This is through the streets of Qana in the back of an armored vehicle going up the helicopter runway where they are trying to get the wounded out. Again very amateur piece of film, you could hear the chopper in the background. In the ambulance you see in the foreground there, there is a wounded man, a lot of chaos. In the far right you could just see a Fijian UN soldier taking photographs for the record, for the historical record, they all become invisible at the moment, an Italian helicopter pilot, a NATO pilot, there he is, the helicopter behind us so to speak as we watch this arranging for this passenger to be put on board the chopper, this is a wounded person, a lot of chaos. 

\For example here is a Norwegian nurse with a Fijian soldier trying to carry a stretcher, and in all the chaos they actually drop the stretcher, there she is, you will see now. Not the best way to look after wounded people, fortunately there is no one wounded on the
stretcher. There is another wounded man being taken from the
helicopter. You see in the background. And very shortly you will actually see the helicopter on the landing pad with Fijians troops
tending to the wounded round them. 

There is the chopper, this is taken through the rear end window of a UN armored vehicle, now on the left you see wounded people lying on the ground and the Fijian troops deciding which ones twill go on the chopper. Many of the people going on the chopper are dying. I think this picture speaks for itself, you can imagine the pain and terror that is going on among those people at the moment. 

This is a Fijian soldier, very badly wounded, he is one who lost his leg, he is being put in the ambulance for transport down to the medical center in UN headquarters in Naqura on the Lebanese-Israeli border. 

And the last scene you see on the tape at the moment is a wounded woman and her two wounded children being told there is no more
room on the helicopter. They are standing with three Fijian soldiers
beside the chopper, and you will see them in a moment. And the
helicopter is already overloaded with the wounded and dying. And we are moving in here with extreme with the pilot has to get out of the helicopter again and order them to go away, he is coming down and go away he is telling with his arms, move back, there is no more, go away , go away. And the last scene as the camera moves in, its a very amateur video tape, you see the wounded and her two little children being turned away, they cannot be transferred. And that's where the tape ended.

B.: I am Mark Bruzonsky, you are watching Mid-East Realities, and
you've just watched the first time that this remarkable video tape from a historic massacre. I think the name Qana now goes down in the history books with Deir Yassin, with a whole series of massacres that have taken place since 1948. 

Fisk: By all sides.

B.: By all sides, but nevertheless the magnitude of Israeli technology, the magnitude of Israeli attempts to cover up

Fisk: I think you should say as well the magnitude of American
weaponry, those shells were made in the United States, and the
artillery that fired them were made in the United States. That is a
very important point.

B.: And the money and the political cover that makes it all possible
and

Fisk: That is you talking, that is you talking. Look, I spent so much
time investigating this massacre that I am perhaps being too finicky
over facts, but I don't think so, I think that it is very important to
get every possible detail right, not least because the Israelis got them wrong. What was interesting is that after this videotape came out, what happened with me by the way is I got the videotape and took it back to Beirut, I saw it of course for the first time, and this was within days of the massacre, it was even more powerful than it is now, and it is exactly a year later. And the anniversary is in a few days, of the massacre, first anniversary. And I duplicated it about twenty times, I sent copies to London by air, we've brought all of editors in on a Sunday afternoon regarding the Saturday, and we've filled three pages of our paper, front page with strips of photographs that showed the drone, and two inside pages, pages two and three, we just turned over the paper into this film, and then the UN said they had the film, and then they published the report. Now I am not saying they did it because we got our hands on this film, though I was told that is quite possible. What did happen after this we gave the film for everybody who wanted to see it including Israeli television, I actually carried down a copy to southern Lebanon and gave it to the UN to give to the Israeli channel, and they did show the picture of the drone. After all this became public, the Israelis said that in their haste and their desire to help the United Nations at the time of the massacre they had made a mistake and indeed there had been a drone and but it was on another mission and they did not say what the other mission was and I never found out what the "other" mission was. But I think at this point, you know, journalism has to end and the fact of history take over. 

B.: Well, the facts of history are that Boutros Ghali watered the
report down but he did it after four, I understand from people at the UN there were four different watering downs of the report before the it was released.

Fisk: I know there were one watering down, but I don't know about the sequence of others. I believe there is one original report which is
much harsher than the one that came out which concluded that it was probably not an error which is a diplomatic way of saying they believe it was deliberate. 

B.: Our time is limited, we've only got a few more minutes, I want to
go back to the peace process, you say it is dead, you say the death
started at Oslo, although there were a carcass to stick something in at the time. But where are we going?

Fisk: Let me just say this, I think its important to say. I don't think any journalist even he got it right should take any satisfaction out of what happened, or even a cynical laughter. I think that the results of have happened, and this is what we're becoming to, I am going to be very grim, and I have just bought my first flak jacket for Lebanon which shows you how seriously I take it, 14 kilos, $1500, very heavy. I think very terrible days may lie ahead of us.