60% of Aussie's say NADA to war with Saddam without PROOF positive...
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AntiZIONIST
9/6/2002 (11:17)
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RSL says no to war with Saddam
By Mark Forbes
Defence Correspondent
Canberra
September 4 2002


The RSL has warned against Australian involvement in a war against Iraq, placing a set of conditions on a military commitment at odds with the Howard Government's stance.

A statement endorsed by the RSL's national executive yesterday said it 'fervently hopes military action can be avoided' and that a diplomatic solution was preferable to invasion.

Any commitment of forces would require a public justification of the threat posed by Iraq to Australia's security and a specific United Nations resolution, the statement said. A clear plan to deal with the aftermath of an invasion also needed to be spelt out.

RSL national president Major-General Peter Phillips said the organisation was attempting to steer 'a more moderate, middle course' in the debate. 'We are concerned about some of the statements made by our leaders.

'We are veterans, we know what war is about, we want to avoid it at all costs if possible. But, at the end of the day, we can't walk away from weapons of mass destruction.'

The evidence to invade Iraq was not yet compelling, General Phillips said. 'I don't think anyone is happy we have enough yet to go all the way with the USA.'

The government, through Defence Minister Robert Hill and Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, has talked up possible Australian involvement in Iraq in support of a United States invasion.

Although stating last week that any US request for military assistance would need to provide evidence of weapons of mass destruction, Senator Hill said Australia was unlikely to refuse such a request.

Prime Minister John Howard declined to respond to the statement. He is likely to tackle the issue when he opens the RSL's 87th National Congress in Brisbane today.

Opposition Leader Simon Crean welcomed the RSL's stance.

'Labor has been saying since April that it is important for the evidence to be established, the case made and a coalition built against Iraq if action is to occur.'

Labor supported the need for a United Nations resolution to back an invasion of Iraq in the first instance, foreign affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd said.

The RSL's statement was a contribution to the debate and illustrated 'the deep concern in this country about premature, unilateral action against Iraq'.

Some senior members of the RSL believe the government's stance in support of US action against Iraq is too gung-ho.

The statement follows comments by former senior military figures warning against involvement in another potential Vietnam.

An invasion could be morally justified, but only if certain conditions were met, according to the RSL executive. Primarily, a specific UN resolution before any action by the US was essential.

The Howard Government's stance has softened in recent weeks, with a lack of widespread international support for an invasion of Iraq.

Yesterday Treasurer Peter Costello said there were 'many ifs' regarding joining a war against Iraq.

'If there is an international effort, if Australia is asked to make a contribution, if it is in our national interest, then we will consider making a commitment,' he said.
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Darren from OZ
9/6/2002 (12:08)
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As far as the United States goes..they are at best fair weather friends.Australian trade overtures are brushed under the rug in favour of American prosperity.This is nothing unusual.the real reason that Bush did not ratify the Kyoto protocol is the very same reason that Bush wants to attack Iraq (then Iran?Hezbollah?...maybe Saudi Arabia?) To retain it's hegemony over the world America needs OIL...for it's warmachine and it's gluttony.I feel for the Americans as they are pushed into the role of the global policeman...they have not even cleaned up Afghanistan (another vacant promise?)and yet they look to Iraq..amazing.Clinton and the Arabs are right about one thing..this attack on the Iraqis will only galvanise the hatred towards Americans amongst the poor and the Islamic world.Terrorism can only increase..if other Arab states rose to support Iraq and were then attacked by America...America would control the worlds OIL.Period.Americans are not bad...it's their leadership that is thoroughly rotten and we have the same problem in Australia!!!!!!!Get Afghanistan back on it's feet first and finish off Bin Laden!
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The innocent always pay the PRICE
9/6/2002 (12:12)
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If this does result in a war, I will not be barracking for Saddam but I will have a lot of sympathy for all those women and children that are going to get killed and maimed as a direct result of all the smart bombs that aren't that smart...
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Aussie blood for Israel
9/6/2002 (12:34)
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I've never been ashamed to be an Austrailan until I heard Alexander Downer beating his sunken chest over our support for Herr Bush in his aggressive designs over Iraq. We have a long history of defending democracy, we don't force it on others by bayonet.

When you consider, who does Iraq threaten? America (snicker), Europe (not likely), Turkey (warmer) or Israel (bingo!). Iraq represents the ongoing efforts of the Arabs to unite into a single nation. Israel/America can't allow it, for different reasons. America, it's oil; Israel, land.

Why do Australians need to die for these immoral causes?
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Hey mate!
9/6/2002 (12:36)
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I think you're being a traitor to the true Anzac spirit! Our Anzacs were sacrificed by their British masters so that we might become a nation. John Howard and Alexander Downer deserve our eternal gratitude for nobly struggling to give the nation another chance to strengthen its character by experiencing disaster at the hands of its new master, the United States. Just think: we could have two days on which we celebrate our heroism and loss. In fact, if the United States is planning to remove all the despots who aren't its own despots, we may have 80 or 90 days on which we mourn with pride.
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Dead right.
9/6/2002 (12:39)
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Funny but true. When will we grow up? The referendum on the Australian Republic was the eyeopener. Even after one hundred years of nationhood, we still need to run home to daddy. Except our new daddy is Bushie and he is asking for our soul in return.
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real watcher
9/6/2002 (15:54)
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Australia's ignorance in world affairs is matched only by her oppression of the indigenous black-skinned Aborigines.

When Australians start yammering the standard leftist baloney about perceived oppression around the world, they need look no further than heir own 1/2 acre of Aborigine Hell they have created.
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OZ actually LEARNS the LESSONS.....
9/6/2002 (24:15)
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Compared to Israel Australia is on an upward swing with it's indigenous people asshole. If we ever started treating the aboriginal people like Israel treats her Palestinians we would find ourselves in the same mess as that 1/2 acre shitpit in the ME....