Court
TV Host: We're going to be joined in just a few minutes by
an international affairs analyst who specializes in security and Middle
East issues, Mark Bruzonsky. He was just on Court TV a little earlier
today.
Court
TV Host: Hello everyone, our guest Mark Bruzonsky is here...
He's the publisher of Mideast Realities www.middleast.org.
thanks for joining us today.
Mark
Bruzonsky: On your program, I explained
that this war didn't start on Tuesday, it's been going on for a long
time, and a lot of people in the region have been killed.
There's a lot of hatred, a lot of desire for revenge.
America was attacked, but it was hardly a Pearl Harbor.
There were all kinds of warnings, all kinds of statements
about what they wanted to do.
therose_4:
Why didn't we accept the
ramming of the USS Cole as a warning instead of waiting till a tragedy
like this struck?
Mark
Bruzonsky: We did. The US is active with the CIA and covert
actions
and with all kinds of covert activities and that's what many people in
the region oppose.
But the Cole was not the only example.
If it turns out to be bin Laden, the man has been on TV declaring what
his intentions
were for a long time, and we have an article at www.middleeast.org
that ran some three years ago, and
the headline reads: "Bin Laden will take his revenge."
ctv_warhorse46:
Do you feel that Hussein
is a silent partner in the attacks?
Mark
Bruzonsky: How does one respond that a question like that.
He WAS our partner 15 years ago.
And then things changed, and we decided that he was our enemy.
Under these circumstances, the US has decided what it will do.
The US will destroy the bin Laden network and probably invade
Afghanistan
and change the government.
In the short term, we will prevail.
The cost historically and the ramifications of what we do
will be substantial,
impossible to directly predict
but this is not a conventional war.
It's not the kind of thing that's happened before.
And there were lots of people who were extraordinarily angry at the US
before about policies that have resulted in millions of deaths in
Middle Eastern countries.
rtcbst2000:
How do know that the
terrorists are from Afghanistan for sure?
Mark
Bruzonsky: We dont know anything for sure.
Especially the questioners -- and I - don't know anything for sure.
But all the signs do point to the groups who have expressed their
desire to push the US out of the Middle East,
believing their countries are occupied by the United States
and believing the regimes we support are terribly corrupt and
oppressive.
shayquante2000:
Is there any way this
situation could have been dealt with a different way
Mark
Bruzonsky: Yes, we should spend a whole day on Court TV on
that one.
American policies have been extremely unacceptable to many people in
many places, including in our own country.
ronold59:
Will our leaders make sure
they know who before they strike?
Mark
Bruzonsky: The past would suggest, no.
The most recent attack on the Sudan is the perfect example.
The US government has very little credibility beyond the United States.
Trailer403:
What is the feeling by the
FBI that there are many Islamic fundamentalists in our country ready to
perform more terrorist acts?
Mark
Bruzonsky: I have no idea on that one.
Nobody knows.
Nobody expected what happened last week.
I don't know any more than anybody else knows.
But the fact that we're calling up 50 or 75,000 troops to guard our
country,
either they believe that our country is in serious danger of repeated
attacks,
or, the terrorists win,
because, look at what they have caused our country to do, what they
have caused our country to do to itself.
Court
TV Host: The entire nation seems to have seized on the Pearl
Harbor analogy....you believe it's incorrect?
Mark
Bruzonsky: All countries have their own history
and think of themselves through their own paradigms.
Americans don't know much about the world
and what they do know is about themselves through Pearl Harbor.
And they don't know everything about Pearl Harbor.
What they don't know is that we had an economic and oil embargo against
Japan before Pearl Harbor.
In this case, whatever one thinks of Osama bin Laden, he was on TV
three years ago,
declaring war against the United States and stating his reasons for it.
One can hate him and despise and want to kill him, but one can't say
that he didn't speak up,
and one can't say that he's a coward.
But most Americans know nothing about the Middle East, and their media,
with rare exceptions,
has done a terrible job of informing them.
Court
TV Host: Are you suggesting that we could have negotiated
with bin Laden earlier?
Mark
Bruzonsky: I'm suggesting that if the United States had not
allowed Israel to day-after-day
attack and destroy the Palestinians
that this particular action might not have been taken.
Large numbers of people in the region hate the United States, just like
large numbers of people in the US are focusing their hate on Osama bin
Laden.
Americans love black and white, good and evil, hero and ogre,
simplicity.
jgatescdi:
No, he's a coward, or he
would raise an army and challenge us - he has challenged us - but now
he's hiding.
Mark
Bruzonsky: Well, as I said, but lots of Americans are very
simplistic and know nothing about the middle east.
Court
TV Host: I've heard other scholars of the Middle East argue
that despite wrongheaded US policies, there's nothing the US could have
done that would have caused bin Laden to put an end to his calls for
violence.
Mark
Bruzonsky: Very simply, incorrect.
And for lots more historical detail, take a look at www.middleeast.org
thelennon2001:
Will Pakistan let the U.S.
come into their airspace so that they can get to Afghanistan?(in your
opinion)
Mark
Bruzonsky: Yes, probably, they'll be forced and bribed and
coerced, probably a combination of all the above.
Even more, I expect American troops will use both Russia and Pakistan
as launching points.
tamisdus:
Could they have had help
from people inside the US?
Mark
Bruzonsky: Of course, they could have.
And of course they could have pulled it off on their own.
Nobody expected that anything of this magnitude was within their power.
Court
TV Host: What role do you think the UN will play in all
this?
Mark
Bruzonsky: Whatever the Americans tell them to do, as usual.
After all, the Secretary General was put there by us.
Court
TV Host: Does the fact that Bush is president, and his
father ordered the Gulf War, play a large role in this, or would we
have seen the same attack if Gore or Clinton were in the White House.
Mark
Bruzonsky: Bush's policies and statements, his endorsements
of Ariel Sharon, all play a role in whipping up hatred and desire to
challenge the US.
How much?
That depends on each individual and each group.
But for certain, it's a role.
Court
TV Host: What should the US do now?
Mark
Bruzonsky: Too late to do the right things.
The war has already has already corrupted rationality and
thoughtfulness.
It's too late.
We will strike and probably decimate bin Laden's network, but it's
impossible to specifically predict
what surely will come under these circumstances.
But probably something causing much greater hardship and death to all
parties.
But if we want to start with one policy change, that should have been
done before,
that can be implemented even as we pursue the war against the
"terrorists",
long ago we should have told the Israelis we will not support their
annexation of the Palestinians, and long ago we should have stopped
supporting the terribly oppressive and
terribly corrupt American-supported regimes
who oppressed their own people so awfully, and that of course includes
the odorous Saudi regime.
Court
TV Host: Any closing thoughts?
ctv_guest:
the war has been going on for a long time, and the reason we have
Middle East Realities
is to help people understand the complex situation we're now in.
And if they want to educate themselves, www.middleeast.org
and www.mertv.org
are there precisely for that purpose.
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